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| From: Kirk McKusick <mckusick@mckusick.com> |
| To: Rob Landley <rob@landley.net> |
| Subject: Re: License naming question. |
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| > To: mckusick@mckusick.com |
| > From: Rob Landley <rob@landley.net> |
| > Subject: License naming question. |
| > Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 17:57:10 -0500 |
| > = |
| |
| > Hi, |
| > = |
| |
| > We spoke at Ohio Linuxfest back in 2013 (you attended my Rise and |
| > Fall of Copyleft talk, and then we talked in the hallway afterwards). |
| > = |
| |
| > I _think_ I told you about my plans to try to promote public domain |
| > equivalent licensing, a concept which has a wikipedia page now: |
| > = |
| |
| > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_domain_equivalent_license |
| > = |
| |
| > For toybox what I did was take the OpenBSD suggested template license |
| > off their website and remove the half-sentence requiring people to |
| > copy that specific license text into derived works, and the resulting |
| > license made it past Google's lawyers! My toybox project has been |
| > providing the command line for android since Marshmallow |
| > (https://lwn.net/Articles/629362/) and we're making progress on |
| > getting android to build under android, the Bionic libc maintainer |
| > recently sent me a roadmap update about that: |
| > = |
| |
| > https://github.com/landley/toybox/commit/92b359f00057 |
| > = |
| |
| > I called the resulting license "Zero Clause BSD" (by analogy with |
| > "Creative Commons Zero" and the existing 4 clause, 3 clause, and 2 |
| > clause BSD licenses), and I even got SPDX approval for it in 2015 |
| > (because Samsung asked me to shortly after Google merged it into |
| > AOSP, they'd been adding it aftermarket before then and having an |
| > SPDX identifier for the license simplified their internal bureaucracy). |
| > = |
| |
| > Then a couple months after SPDX approved it, somebody _else_ submitted |
| > the same license to Eric Raymond's old Open Source Initiative using |
| > "Free" in the name, as in Free Software Foundation. (A sadly loaded |
| > term these days.) |
| > = |
| |
| > I hadn't known they were still in the license approval business |
| > (they stopped approving new licenses in... 2012? And I remember |
| > them explicitly _rejecting_ CC0 saying public domain isn't a license, |
| > which their FAQ still talks about at |
| > https://opensource.org/faq#public-domain). But they approved the |
| > toybox license under a different name, then asked SPDX to retroactively |
| > change their name for it. (SPDX didn't, but OSI refused to admit |
| > it made a mistake, even though they said they had a policy to keep |
| > the names in sync. They hadn't done their homework.) |
| > = |
| |
| > Now every time the license is considered for a new use, the confusion |
| > OSI caused tends to derail things: |
| > = |
| |
| > https://github.com/david-a-wheeler/spdx-tutorial/issues/1 |
| > = |
| |
| > When github itself was considering adding 0BSD to its license |
| > pulldown (which would have been a big win), I was asked what I |
| > thought of the naming confusion, and I wrote two long things on my |
| > rationale with lots of links to earlier stuff, which you can read |
| > here if you'd like: |
| > = |
| |
| > https://github.com/github/choosealicense.com/issues/464 |
| > = |
| |
| > Anyway, I recently decided to ask OSI to admit they made a mistake |
| > and change their name for the license to match what SPDX did, and |
| > there was unanimous approval... |
| > = |
| |
| > http://lists.opensource.org/pipermail/license-review_lists.opensource.or= |
| g/2018-September/003519.html |
| > = |
| |
| > Until the same guy who was objecting last time showed up to continue |
| > to object. He ignord the "who used it first" axis, and said he |
| > wanted to know which name was used more today, and then when he |
| > lost that argument he said he objects to calling something a BSD |
| > license that isn't using Berkeley's original wording. |
| > = |
| |
| > My question is: do you object to the name "Zero Clause BSD" for a |
| > public domain equivalent license that's the OpenBSD suggested |
| > template license with half a sentence removed? |
| > = |
| |
| > If you want to stay out of this, I understand. I'm pretty sure I |
| > asked you this in 2013 before I started pushing the name, and |
| > wouldn't have if you'd objected then, but that was long ago and the |
| > water under the bridge is dead... |
| > = |
| |
| > Thanks for your time, sorry that took so long to explain. (And even |
| > longer if you read the big long github choosealicense thread. :) |
| > = |
| |
| > Rob |
| |
| Thanks for the through explanation of the situation. |
| |
| I have no objections to the name "Zero Clause BSD" for your license. |
| |
| I hope that you are successful in getting OSI to change their name |
| for the license to match what SPDX did. |
| |
| Kirk McKusick |
| |
